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Hi Patrick,

Thank you for this wonderful essay. It is always great to see Ellul given some attention -- I continually find his analysis of technique fruitful, even though it is now some 70 years old. I cannot recommend enough that people read Ellul for themselves, even if only a small portion of The Technological Society. Just reading a dozen or so pages, you really get a sense of the logic of technique playing itself out and how it is possible that technique has become autonomous. And of course I am flattered to be cited here.

Others have previously commented that it is unlikely that AI will wrest control of our technological apparatus and do things we don't like and that a far more likely scenario is economic or environmental collapse. I am inclined to agree. While it seems plausible that eventually an AI could go "rogue," the other scenarios seem much more imminent and better illustrate the logic of technique. Consider the climate catastrophe into which our entire planet is rushing headlong: despite the fact that everybody knows that climate change continues to accelerate and that it is rapidly making the planet uninhabitable, no one seems to be able to "do" anything about it. The future appears inevitable and efforts to steer technology toward more climate-friendly forms appear ineffective. And to the limited extent that responses to climate change are effective, those responses are almost wholly technological! Technology creates the problems to which the only possible responses are themselves technological. To paraphrase Homer Simpson: "To Technology! The cause of -- and solution to -- all of life's problems!"

What this partially illustrates and I think is important to note about Ellul's account, is that we don't use technology, technology uses us. It is not as though we decide to what purposes we should put technology -- those purposes are already established by previous technological problems (e.g., climate change, urbanization, financial management, etc.). Our purposes are pre-given, and we are adapted to suit those purposes. Humans do not 'operate' machines so much as they are a part of them and hence part of the overall technical design.

And lastly -- you noted this but it bears repeating -- technology is a unified whole. That is, the parts cannot easily be separated from one another, so that we cannot easily pick and choose which parts of the technological society we like and then discard the rest. Modern computers are not separable from large mining operations, which are not separable from large corporations with advanced human resource techniques, which are not separable from modern sociology and psychology, which are not separable from our medical institutions, which require computers for their efficient operation, etc. etc. As you so effectively argued, AI should not be seen as a new project or a novel addition to our society, but rather a continuous development of the overall technological whole. Notwithstanding the arguments of AI-boosters that AI will improve/impact everything we do, AI should not be seen as a project separate from, e.g., antibiotics or hydroponics or heat pumps, but as necessarily connected.

Very Tired's avatar

Your article made me think of the "slipperiness" of the behavior of LLMs, where one cannot ever exactly predict what it will do, or explain why it did it.

Here is an example: "We study subliminal learning, a surprising phenomenon where language models learn traits from model-generated data that is semantically unrelated to those traits. For example, a 'student' model learns to prefer owls when trained on sequences of numbers generated by a 'teacher' model that prefers owls."

https://alignment.anthropic.com/2025/subliminal-learning/

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