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Matt's avatar

The "utilitarian" impulse motivating these world-improvers (like their predecessors) depends on the assumption of a single dimension of pre-determined ends, which can express all human goals.

There's no possibility of true disagreement or conflict between values, provided you've got the cognitive horsepower to collect the data and crunch the numbers. That's deeply implausible.

Worse, while some of their ideals and aspirations are worth thinking about, the path that the "Effective Altruist" world-improvers follow will lead to a colorless, sterile future empty of the values that make life worth caring about.

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Hi Jordan, I'm repeating here the comment you'll have seen me post on another discussion site we're both on.

Having now read it, I liked it and (to paraphrase my favourite comedian, Stewart Lee, I agreed the fuck out of it). However I hanker for someone to take me as concisely and as powerfully as possible through the process whereby EA instrumentalises — or perhaps the right term is ‘objectifies’ or ‘managerialises’ ethics. I’d love to do it myself of course, but I haven’t and I’m sure it could be done better than I could do it.

I was interested to read the German philosopher you quoted, but somehow it made what you were writing a little more derivative. There’s something else that occurs to me as I write this which is that with EA — and positivism generally — their philosophical underpinnings are obsessively oriented around the obvious. In this case that

1) If you’re trying to do good, you should do as much as you can as effectively and efficiently as you can.

2) that whether or not one posits everyone weighing exactly equally in our moral thinking, moral questions can be expressed in equations. Total G = xG + yG. (Total good equals everyone’s good all added up.)

Broadly speaking, these conclusions are unarguable. I accept them, not just intellectually, but in my practical life. To borrow from an old economist, Alfred Marshall I try to have a warm heart and a cool head.

Yet I have to say that this kind of thing being paraded as deep thought both bores me and makes me suspicious that I’m really dealing with serious thinkers — for all their academic credentials. Like interminable books on leadership, particularly business leadership, there are a few precepts, and the rest is repetition.

And there’s an irony because, as EA demonstrates so amply, in pursuing obvious premises, they end up in some very strange and unobvious places — that in our widening circle of concern, we should turn our hearts, minds and scarce resources to the gazillion beings in centuries to come that will be affected by human extinction (even if our understanding of the future world we’re trying to improve, is infinitesimal).

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